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(The first episode of "Strong Woman Do Bong-soon" will air on Friday night.)
While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
(Episode 136)
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(We are Junyoosung!)
(Welcome representatives!)
It has been a while since we saw him. It's the representative from Iran.
Mohsen, could you introduce yourself?
(Hello. My name is Mohsen and I am from Iran.)
Hello. My name is Mohsen and I am from Iran.
I have a lot to say to the US representative today.
(He attacks the US straight away.)
What job are you doing now?
- I'm a chef. - That's right.
He's a chef?
- I have a restaurant in Hongdae. - Okay.
I'm going to open another store in Incheon in two months' time.
Business must be booming.
We're doing well even without the US.
(Uncomfortable)
He's attacking the US even as he talks about this.
He needs to watch out today.
You'll need to have strong resolve today.
We will cover each representative's issues and share diverse opinions
It's global side dishes time, "What Is So Important".
This is the US representative, Mark's issue.
Having only taken office 10 or so days ago,
he has put the citizens Iran, Iraq, Syria,
and four other Muslim countries on a travel ban.
He has signed an executive order for this.
We're going to have a very, very strict...
ban and we're going to have extreme vetting.
Which we should have had in this country for many years.
I would like to hear your opinions on this.
Thanks to President Trump, you're getting a lot of screen time.
You are always in the spotlight.
(His 20th appearance)
There seems to be an endless stream of topics about him.
All right. The executive order that President Trump forced through...
was a travel ban against countries that he identified as "sources of terror".
The countries are Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan.
The citizens of these countries were temporarily banned entry and visas.
Refugees were banned entry for 120 days.
He also ordered an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees.
This has become controversial.
Right now, in the courts...
The courts have currently blocked the immigration order.
What is the executive order that the President of the United States issued?
An executive order is...
that the Constitution gives the...
President of the United States the right to issue executive orders.
If he signs an order,
this rule of order takes effect.
For example, the Emancipation Proclamation was also an executive order.
This came into effect because President Lincoln signed the executive order.
- That was a really wonderful moment. - Right.
What's important is, although this is...
an order, the president cannot issue orders that go against the Constitution.
That's why both sides are fighting in the courts about this.
(Bob Ferguson, Washington Attorney General)
How are the American people reacting to this?
This has become a controversy in the US.
There are a lot of people who agree with the decision.
But as you know, the US is a country of immigrants.
- It's a melting pot. - I read that in a text book.
A lot of people are opposed to this and have started protesting against the ban.
Many entrepreneurs and CEOs are opposed to this ban as well.
Companies like Ford, Apple...
- and Google. The CEOs of these companies... - They use a lot of laborers.
- Yes. A lot of immigrants work in these companies, too. - Right.
They are against this.
Attorneys General from 16 US states...
stated that this ban was unlawful.
They are fighting this ban in the courts.
- They'll submit an appeal on President Trump's executive order. - Right.
(US appeals court upholds suspension of Trump travel ban)
(Warnings of additional executive orders on immigrations)
- I visited President Trump's Twitter account. - Okay.
- He uses Twitter a lot, right? - Yes.
- Hold on. - And others...
I can't understand what he's saying.
I can't understand you.
Could you give me that? I didn't understand what you said.
That was a 100 percent similar.
- Was it? - Yes.
(Encore)
He said bad people are happy.
He's categorized them as bad people.
He also called these people potential terrorists.
He says these people are potential terrorists.
- I was so shocked when I saw that on Twitter. - You do follow him.
(You do follow President Trump on Twitter.)
It is fun. He gives me energy.
- I see. - I can learn English, too.
I follow him on Twitter, too.
- You need to understand what he means. - I need to know what he wants to say.
You can prepare.
Iran is one of the seven countries that have been given a travel ban into the US.
What is the reaction like there?
Our government has told the Iranians in the US not to worry about the cost...
and just come back to Iran.
Almost 90 percent of all the Iranians who went to the US...
are professors, lecturers and people like that.
We weren't the ones who put the ban in place, that was done by the US.
It doesn't really affect us.
This ban was put in place by the US.
Didn't Iran also ban US citizens from coming in?
Didn't they ban all US citizens entry into Iran?
We also put a ban blocking any US citizens into the country.
Yes. We put a ban in place.
- It's revenge. - That was strong.
We'll do exactly what they did.
It's revenge.
Pakistan wasn't one of the seven countries on the list.
We heard that you are worried as well.
Pakistan is the first Muslim country...
to protest against the travel ban order.
The White House Chief of Staff...
asked why countries like Pakistan who have similar problems were not banned.
He stated that the ban needs to be expanded.
They are saying a lot of things that make no sense.
The reason President Trump started the ban was...
because he wanted to prevent terrorist attacks.
But what I find fascinating is,
none of these countries were involved in the September 11 attacks.
- That's true. - If you look further,
none of the countries that he is doing business with has been placed in the ban.
- Right. - Isn't this suspicious?
A lot of Mexicans are criticizing him for this.
He has only blocked countries where he doesn't have a vested interest in, right?
This is suspicious enough to be on "Uncovering the Truth".
The country with the most terrorist incidents was Turkey, right?
President Trump owns two buildings in Turkey.
That's why he hasn't placed them on the ban.
- That's too much. - What Christian is saying is true.
President Trump isn't behaving like the President of the United States.
He's acting like a businessman instead.
President Trump would love to put India on the banned list, too.
- But since India is a big market. - Right.
- He can't place them on the ban. - He just banned seven countries, right?
But in the last 40 years,
there have only been 17 people who have been punished for a terrorist act in the US.
- Out of the 13 terrorists... - Yes?
- who committed September 11 attacks, 11 of them were from Saudi Arabia. - Right.
- So, why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? - Right.
Are terrorist attacks a big concern in the US?
Or is it just an excuse?
- Because in France, we sometimes use that as an excuse. - That's...
They want to use it for political gain.
- It's a great topic to use. - People use it as a chance to discriminate.
- We can't be certain, but some people... - It's a scare tactic.
- could be using it to discriminate. - Right.
- But there are a lot of people who do fear a terrorist attack. - Okay.
If you're so worried, why do you create terrorists?
- The US are creating more terrorists. - The US are creating them.
That's right.
If you look back, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant...
They were all created by the US.
You make weapons and then give it to them.
- You support them financially as well. - There is some truth to this.
Years ago, the Soviet Union and Afghanistan were fighting a war, right?
(The Soviet–Afghan War lasted from 1979 to 1989.)
(Insurgent groups used Guerrilla warfare against the Soviet forces.)
That's when the Taliban was created.
The word Taliban means student.
They used young children.
Through Pakistan, the US...
- supported these insurgent groups fight the Russians. - That's scary.
The US didn't directly...
finance terrorist groups.
During the various wars,
the US could have supported one side financially.
But they didn't realize what would happen in the future.
They did support them in the past but now they have become...
a terrorist organization.
The group they supported became a terrorist group.
If they knew that they were a terrorist organization, they wouldn't support them.
(Hillary Clinton said this when she was Secretary of State.)
(Both countries are haunted by their conflict with terrorists.)
How is the situation in Europe.
Although we haven't officially said anything,
Paolo Gentiloni, our Prime Minister posted this on his social media account,
"I want to confirm the Italian government's attitude of closeness, of solidarity..."
"with the overwhelming majority of people..."
"of the Islamic faith who live in our country and who reject terrorism".
He tweeted, "Italy is anchored to its values. These are the pillars of Europe."
He voiced his opposition to these rulings.
- The extreme right in our country hold a lot of sway, right? - Yes.
There is a politician that I dislike, his name is Matteo Salvini.
He used twitter to post his statement in English.
He said he would support President Trump's executive order.
But because he had posted it in English,
he was harshly criticized online.
People replied,
"Your opinions are wrong and so is your grammar."
- They said this... - They must have really disliked him.
or people commented, "President Trump probably agrees with you,"
"but the problem is he doesn't know you exist."
He wanted to get closer to President Trump,
so he used the hashtag.
He mentioned him.
Yes. But it was the worst.
It's very similar in France as well.
It's because the Minister of Foreign Affairs...
said he'd like to see the executive order get retracted.
He said the executive order had nothing to do with terrorism and it's dangerous.
(President Trump's thoughts no longer align with Europes'...)
(so we can no longer work with him.)
The extreme right party in France however is not opposed to President Trump.
The National Front Party asked...
what the problem was.
They stated that the US president is trying...
to protect his country and so he can take these actions.
They said this was the right given to a president.
If Marine Le Pen does become president,
she will most likely implement similar steps in France.
In Germany,
discrimination created by the government...
is a very sensitive issue.
Due to our past, actions like that are unacceptable.
Angela Merkel also said in an interview...
(Trump's behavior is against the basic norms and principles...)
(of the international aid and cooperation for refugees.)
It's not just Germany.
If you look at all the countries in Europe,
you'll notice that a lot of countries are influenced by terrorism.
A lot of extreme right parties have gained a lot of influence due to this.
The number of people...
who understand and agree with what President Trump is doing is growing.
This really does worry me a lot.
Japan didn't agree or disagree with the executive order.
Prime Minister Abe...
(We are observing how the US will manage immigration,)
(but I'm not in a position to comment on the policy.)
He didn't agree or disagree with the executive order.
In Japan however,
a group of people thought that this might be helpful.
- We had over 1 million foreign laborers in Japan. - Foreign laborers.
We are an aging population and we have a low birth rate as well.
If people immigrate to Japan instead of the US,
- wouldn't it be of help to us. - I see.
- There were some people who voice that opinion. - Wouldn't they go somewhere else?
It would cause people to consider moving to Japan.
How did Canada react to this?
- Prime Minister Trudeau... - Prime Minister Trudeau said...
refugees who were banned in the US...
are welcome in Canada.
The person right below President Trump,
the chief strategist, Steve Bannon...
He's a white nationalist.
He wants to turn the US into a nation for white people.
I believe, that this policy is just the beginning.
I believe that Steve Bannon will be President Trump's Choi Soon-sil.
He's going to be his Choi Soon-sil?
(Is he an influential person?)
He's a racist.
So, I believe he's going to take a harder line.
As Guillaume just said...
US citizens are also worried about Steve Bannon's influence.
Guillaume is correct. This is just the beginning.
People in Mexico are worried because we're right next to the US.
We have a lot of conflicts about immigration as well.
It's more likely that Mexico will be the next country to be targeted.
I see.
We feel that Mexico must be suffering the most because of Donald Trump.
He really is putting this into action.
(He's been saying this from the start of his presidential campaign.)
He's proceeding to build a wall along the border.
(In Mexico people have come out onto the streets in protest.)
- I didn't think he would actually do it. - Right.
He's doing it for real. We were divided on this too.
We've heard of the Great Wall of China but we've never heard of a border wall.
I didn't think he'd do it.
How has Mexico reacted to this?
The length of the wall be 3,000km.
The height will be 12m tall and 3m thick.
He signed another executive order to begin construction.
If the wall is 3,000km...
It's really long.
I think it would be longer than the distance from Seoul to Busan.
- It's long. - It's a shock.
The cost...
will be between 14 billion to 44 billion dollars.
And it will take four years to finish construction.
- That's a lot of money. - The problem is...
he wants Mexico to pay for it.
Right. But Mexico stated clearly its position.
- We've stated that we won't pay. - You've stated that in the past.
(Our thoughts are different to the US government's.)
(Mexico will never pay for the construction of the wall.)
- So, President Trump said, "Okay, we'll pay for it first," - Okay.
- Pay it later. - "And we'll get Mexico to pay for it later."
"We'll also put a 20 percent tax on all imports from Mexico to make sure they pay."
- But you never agreed? - Right.
We had scheduled an official summit talk in January.
But it was canceled because of this.
This is something...
that I hadn't thought would be possible. I still don't know how it happened.
Did Mexico just take it?
Couldn't you have said we'll raise taxes on American imports too?
We're taking counter measures as well. There's a lot of opinions...
right now. Some people suggested if the US...
builds the wall, why don't we build stairs?
- If they build a wall, - I see.
- we'll spend our money on building steps. - Like this...
(We'll build steps.)
- Let's turn it into a tourist attraction. - Good idea.
- I think that is a good idea. - Right.
- It would be good to exercise on, too. - You could build a bungee jump.
- How about a climbing area. - It would be the perfect attraction.
(Borderland)
Some people suggested if the US puts a tariff on imports...
and raises it to 20 percent.
We can do the same to US imports.
After President Trump heard this,
he said he would stop all imports from the US to Mexico.
He tried to threaten us.
After the people in Mexico heard this,
Mexicans said they'd boycott purchasing any US goods.
They said they would boycott it and a new hashtag was born.
Adios Starbucks.
Adios Coca Cola.
- Adios McDonald. - Good-bye.
- Adios. - That is a big problem.
I think Russia and China would be overjoyed by this.
Exactly. I got that feeling, too.
Xinlin, you look very happy today.
- He looks happy. - He's not saying a lot either.
He didn't want people to know he was happy.
Shall we take a vote?
The demand by the US for payment for the wall.
Is it damaging or not?
If you think it is damaging to the US, raise your hand.
(8 agree and 4 disagree)
- Guillaume didn't raise his hand. - Guillaume didn't raise his hand.
- Personally I am against this, - You're against this.
but when you ask whether this is damaging,
Mexico has its own autonomy.
- So, even if President Trump asks Mexico to pay for it. - It's heating up.
- Mexico can refuse to pay. - Mark,
- Mark, I'm sorry to interrupt... - But, this is what will happen...
the Mexican President...
has said that Mexico won't pay for the wall.
We were going to have a summit but it was canceled.
I think this is Mexico exerting its autonomy.
I'm sorry to say this, but ignoring another nation's views...
and doing things there way would be the definition of damaging?
You're making it sound...
as if Mexico were the ones who had the summit canceled.
We didn't cancel it. President Trump...
decided to impose a tariff. That's why the summit got canceled.
- We're actually part of NAFTA. - But...
- He's ignoring the agreement. - I didn't say...
canceling the summit was a bad thing. I just said you were exerting your autonomy.
- But this... - Why would you say that?
- We didn't start this fight. - But why...
As I see it, even if you state Mexico can make its own decisions,
if you get threatened into a choice. That's not making an autonomous decision.
When you hit someone, they'll tell you that hurt.
- You have the right to say that. - He has the right to say it.
You have to say it. Did someone tell you that you couldn't say it?
- As I see it, the US knows that it is the stronger power... - Right.
- and it is picking on a weaker country. - Right.
- They are stronger. - In any case,
the US is threatening them so Mexico will have no choice but to pay.
Are you saying we'll have to pay?
- No, that won't happen. - It's because...
- In the end, the US will force them to pay. - As they continue to threaten them,
Mexico will suffer an even greater problem.
- Even though the US will suffer, Mexico will suffer even more. - Right.
What you said comes after this.
Asking Mexico to pay for the wall is a loss.
- Ignore them. - Asking...
- Ignore them. Just don't pay attention to the US. - They can refuse.
- If they ignore... - Just build the wall.
They're asking them to pay for it, so how can you ignore that?
They'll look down on you.
Let's listen to a country who has experience building walls.
Iran has built a wall before.
We built a wall along the borders of Iran and Afghanistan.
Our country funded it.
- Did you build a wall? Between where? - Yes.
It's a wall that separates the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan from us.
- Why did you build a wall? - It was because drugs...
come into our country from Afghanistan.
- You stopped drug trafficking. - Yes, we built it for that.
We never asked Pakistan or Afghanistan for money.
We just built it.
The US didn't build the wall to stop illegal immigrants from crossing over.
A lot of drugs comes into the US from Mexico so President Trump...
- wanted to stop that. - Mohsen is saying build it with your own money.
- Right, I... - You can't ask them to pay for it.
- You can't force them to pay. - Mexicans aren't that rich.
They're not that rich.
Are you a poor country?
- We're a wealthy country. - You're not as wealthy as the US.
Compared to the US, Mexico isn't as wealthy.
They're doing well.
He looks very sad today.
I interpret President Trump's words differently.
He asked Mexico to pay for the wall, right?
He wasn't saying that to Mexico.
- He was saying that to his supporters. - Right.
Trumpists loved it when he said that.
He was saying it to them.
- He was using the provocation with Mexico for this. - Right.
A lot of politicians do make promises like that.
The supporters will be wondering if he'll do it.
- He's keeping his campaign promise. - He's keeping their faith.
The idea of building a wall is just ridiculous. The reason I say this is...
He would know if he had looked into it more closely.
When Mexicans illegally enter the US,
most of them all fly into the country.
- They create fake passports... - He's right.
- and take a plane... - What are you going to do?
to enter the country. Will he build a wall up to the sky?
He'll have to raise the wall quite high.
- That's a very outdated way of thinking. - You just have to fly a little higher.
Go a little higher.
People in the US who are against building the wall, including myself,
- think the same way. It's not going to solve the problem. - It's a waste of money.
People either take a plane or go through a tunnel.
There's a tunnel.
- There an underground tunnel there. - Is there?
Is that from the New Deal?
They can always dig new tunnels.
It'll create more jobs.
- There's a tunnel. - Building a wall won't do anything.
- They should block the tunnel first. - It's a waste of money.
Earlier, Si-kyung mentioned the Great Wall of China.
That's exactly what this is.
It's a border wall that was used 2,200 years ago.
- During the time, they didn't have any planes. - They're using the same tactics.
- It would have been effective back then. - Back then it was.
What do you think, Xinlin,
having already built a wall?
If I was Mexican,
I'd say this to President Trump.
"You can build a wall if you want, but you can't use even an inch of our land."
- "We're not a nation that's beneath you." - He's not proposing to use the land.
- Sure. - It's childish.
As I was listening to the discussion, it reminded me of how...
a lot of people from powerful nations think...
they can do anything they want to other countries.
They think other countries are in the palm of their hands.
Right. In trade, there is always the strong and the weak.
- To Mexico, the US is their main exporter. - True.
- They're in a weaker position. - They'd take on a greater burden when there's loss.
I, too, disagree with building the wall,
and it's a very protectionist measure.
In effect, once the tariffs are raised, Mexicans wouldn't be the ones to pay.
It would be paid by the US people.
It'll be a loss for the US people.
They'll lose the chance to buy a variety of products...
- at cheap prices. - These actions are similar to...
when Japan and Korea were at odds,
- and Japan blocked the water routes. - Right.
It's the same as that.
They're blocking the route and making us pay.
- The words alone are... - It is quite offensive if you think about it.
- I'm sorry. - You don't have to be sorry.
- It's just an analogy. - Yes.
Relations between nations can be quite tricky.
They have to be respectful and still further their self-interests.
- Like you all said, I agree that this will ultimately damage the US. - True.
Are there any other countries that want to say a word about the US?
In my opinion, what Trump needs to be careful about...
is his fight against religion. Such fights never ended well historically.
Since Hitler's discrimination of the Jews,
it's clear that religious discrimination will not end well.
I think President Trump needs to revisit the meaning of...
the Statue of Liberty in the US.
In the past, many people from all over the world found a haven in the US.
- They also made the country great. - Yes.
It's something he should remember.
Let's go over to the Alps where there's clean air and water...
and yodeling.
Alex has not a worry in the world.
US is known as the country of freedom,
but it no longer feels that way.
- It's not very suitable. - I don't think it's really democratic.
Because I like Mark and think of him as a real friend,
- I'm being completely honest. - I think of you as a friend, too.
The citizens aren't to blame.
Though US-Mexico relations may become difficult due to President Trump,
I hope Mark finds a girlfriend soon despite all that.
I thought he was going to say something touching.
- That had impact. - A Mexican woman.
Who?
(He should date a Mexican woman.)
I'd like to say you don't have to worry...
because even though President Trump may try to impose a 20 percent tariff on...
Mexican goods, he can't do it alone.
He has to have it approved in Congress, and there are so many that are against it.
Don't think the things that President Trump says about will come to pass.
- That's right. - I hope people know there are those fighting against it.
All right.
- The whole world has grown anxious over Trump's outspoken actions. - I'm nervous.
Rather than impose policies that create rifts in world affairs,
we look forward to seeing the US become a more responsible superpower.
We'll be back next week with "What's So Important?".
It's time to introduce our Non Summit representative.
He's shown us how his imagination manifest into reality.
Our guest, Lee Eun-gyeol, is a cut above the rest.
Abra Cadabra, appear!
Here he comes.
(Everyone rises with anticipation.)
Here he comes.
(Lee Eun-gyeol, the 136th Korean representative)
- Hello. - Have a seat.
- Hello. - He's the foremost illusionist in the country.
Do you think his height is also an illusion?
I think so. Maybe he's still growing.
You seem to have grown shorter.
It's my back. Have a seat.
(Everyone is seated.)
Please introduce yourself.
It's been about 21 years since I started learning magic.
I take optical illusions and imagination...
- to create illusions. I am an illusionist, Lee Eun-gyeol. - Welcome.
(The first illusionist guest)
It's been a while since you said, "Don't call me a magician. I am an illusionist."
Yes. It's been a while, but people still call me a magician.
I believe older people even call you a sorcerer at times.
A wizard.
- Even a sorcerer? - A sorcerer.
Isn't sorcery more of a wicked practice?
(Illusionist Lee Eun-gyeol)
Does anyone know how to do any magic tricks?
There's a trick I've been doing since I was five, but I don't do it often.
It's a bit painful to do.
- What is it? - I'll show you.
What is it?
(What is he going to do?)
(Utter disappointment)
That's a universal trick.
- Doesn't it create dust? - It's very realistic.
For that trick, you want to...
first show the thumb like this.
(Snap!)
(The trick is instantly improved with sound effect.)
That's on a whole other level.
(Zooming)
(He doesn't give you a chance to blink.)
(The illusions of Lee Eun-gyeol)
(Speed and delivery enhance the illusion.)
- I do it like this, but it's better to do it like that. - Hyun-moo was impressed.
- He's incredible. - Kids would faint from seeing this.
It would be scary for a kid to see his dad do this.
- Imagine having a dad like him. - This isn't much, but I did this as a kid.
It's the bending pen.
I know that one.
- It's not that special. - You're not going to just wobble it, are you?
It looks like you're going to drop it.
(Just wobbling the pen)
(Sighing)
- I know that trick. - It's not bad, is it?
Did you see that?
(A festival of any tricks)
I will show you my illusion.
I was just so disappointed.
You're going to show us how it's done?
- He has something. - This isn't anything special.
This is a rubber band...
and this is our scriptwriter's ring.
- You just dropped someone else's ring. - I'm sorry.
When you say "up", the ring will move up.
- Up! - Up!
(The ring slowly moves up the rubber band.)
(Wow!)
- Say it more. - Up, up, up, up, up.
- Up, up, up. - Isn't this amazing everyone?
That's all for Jun Hyun-moo's illusion show!
(Applause)
- That was pretty good. - It was, right?
- Wasn't that amazing? - Yes.
- That was pretty good. - I will never tell you the trick.
You did well, but...
- when you do this... - Do you know this trick?
(Are you serious?)
He looked surprised by the question.
The corner of his lip shot up like this.
What's that?
- How unbelievable! - When you showed us...
Normally, you want to hold the ends of the band.
Put your pinky on the band and bring it down as you hold the end.
Then, you'll have this much band left.
Once you got that, you want to slowly let go.
As you let go of the band, the ring moves upward.
- You should learn it properly. - Okay.
- You were all impressed, though. - He must have felt so frustrated.
To be honest,
I was really nervous it might show.
- You still did quite well. - Thank you.
Since I was young,
- I was interested in magic and learned some tricks through videos. - Really?
It's called the "Three-coin Trick".
Put the first coin in your left hand.
- Then, take the second coin in the same hand. - He's good.
This last coin is the magic coin.
I'll put this magic coin inside my pocket.
- How many coins are in this hand? - Two.
However, there are three because the magic coin came back.
- Wow. - I'll do another one.
- That's a pass. - I'll take the first...
It didn't go in your pocket.
I'll take the first coin.
(Suspicions are aroused.)
There's always a person like him in the audience.
- He's putting on a show. - I saw you.
I'll put the first coin in my left hand.
Hyun-moo, what are you doing?
Go away.
Security!
- Let me see. - I'll put the first coin in my left hand.
Then, I'll take the second coin in the same hand.
- How many are there? - Two.
How many? There are clearly two coins.
Now, I'll take the last coin.
Watch closely. I said this is the magic coin.
I'm going to put this in my pocket. Now, how many coins are in my hand?
- I said 2. - 2? Anyone else?
- How many - Three.
- Three. - There's none.
(Surprised)
- That was good! - That was good!
- You did so well! - You're grabbing at my belly!
I really didn't see anything.
- That was great. - Lee Eun-gyeol looked impressed.
- How did you do it? - For this one,
it looks like...
he's done this quite a lot.
- He's right. - It's not easy to remember those steps.
During the trick, he kept trying to create distractions...
and manage people's attention.
Christian has so much sweat on his forehead right now.
- I was so nervous. - His hands are shaking.
It was really amazing.
You did quite well.
Do you do tricks with coins?
Coins? Well, yes.
- Can you show us? - A simple one.
- I just need one. - Take this one.
Let's see a simple coin trick.
Where do you get the lovely helpers from?
You have one right here.
Don't stand there.
- You interview them. - I'm here to observe.
- You can stay. - You don't mind?
- You can stay here. - I'll find the secret.
I'm going to press the coin on my forehead.
When you concentrate, energy actually gathers.
Most people's energy gathers in this area, so even if I do this...
(Tapping)
It doesn't fall.
The coin doesn't fall. But...
Even Hyun-moo can do this.
- Of course, I can. - Of course!
(Eun-gyeol presses the coin really hard onto Hyun-moo's forehead.)
You're supposed to do it like this.
(Screaming)
- You're supposed to do it like this. - That hurt.
- That hurt. - Look here.
- There. - Did it stick?
Try tapping the back of your head.
Tap the back of your head.
Try to make it fall. It doesn't fall!
Do it harder!
It hurts so much.
It really hurts.
(The coin finally comes off.)
(Everyone gives them a round of applause.)
How did you do it?
(The panel bursts into laughter.)
Wasn't there some trick in the middle?
All you have to do is gather the energy.
- How did you do it? - He's so good.
That's why you shouldn't stand close to a magician doing a magic trick.
- It's dangerous. - Why?
You should give back the coin.
- How did you do it? - You can keep it as a tip.
- How did he do it? - Why don't you try it on me this time?
It's really not falling off.
(It really doesn't fall off!)
(An amazing turn of events)
He has real supernatural powers!
How did he do it?
(The panel can't stop laughing.)
That's hilarious!
(Eyes tearing up)
I guess the grease helped to do the trick.
The coin trick is now complete. Please give a round of applause.
(Confused)
Guillaume is crying.
- That hurts. - You have to see this episode, Hyun-moo.
Now, it's time for the topic of the day.
Please write the topic out on your forehead.
Let's hear Eun-gyeol's topic for the 136th Non-summit meeting.
Open Sesame.
"It's been over 20 years since I've given the gift of awe..."
"to people through magic."
"I had this idea and thought I'd bring it here for discussion."
"I think magic and supernatural powers are fake."
"Am I abnormal?"
Wouldn't this comment affect your livelihood?
When I first began, magic was already...
entering into a state of crisis...
- with the onset of the internet. - That's true.
- All the secrets are revealed. - Even if a magician gives a great performance,
there are so many comments explaining the secrets behind the trick.
There are some that are true and some that aren't.
- It's disappointing. - That's when I had the idea that...
it's no longer meaningful for magicians to insist that magic is real.
Instead, with the language of magic,
I began to focus on how to tell a story.
All right. Let's begin the discussion on "I think magic is fake."
(Real Discussion)
Please press the button if you think this is abnormal.
In 1, 2 and 3, press the button.
(Normal 7, Abnormal 5)
- One for Christian. - Like you said earlier,
the illusionist himself knows all the tricks and methods.
I understand why an illusionist would think that.
However, as an audience, we like to be fooled despite knowing it's a trick.
Even if it's a trick, it's fun to watch again.
Also, magic is a kind of hopeful forgery.
We often say it's magical or something has happened.
We use expressions like that.
Since it has positive connotations, I don't think it's normal to just say it's fake.
I have a similar opinion.
The illusionist himself knows magic isn't real.
It's normal for someone who profits from proving it is false to say it,
but it's not necessary for the illusionist to come out and say it.
It takes away hope.
Yes. I wouldn't know how to look at magic.
- I think it's most similar to movies. - Right, it includes acting.
In addition to movies, it's even true for fiction.
An author once said,
"All fiction writers are liars."
It's all fiction.
They are creating a fake reality,
but we enjoy it knowing its fake.
- Yes. - In my opinion, a magician is someone who uses tricks...
to entertain people.
That's why if a magician claims that the tricks are real,
I would personally thing of him as a fraud rather than a magician.
- They should acknowledge it's not real. - Everyone already knows its fake.
Therefore, it's normal for a magician to say the same.
I'm of a different stance.
I believe there are supernatural powers.
- I saw it with my own eyes. - Really?
A person with supernatural powers made two stones.
- Stones? - Yes.
When people hold the stones in their hands, those with physical ailments...
would start to tremble like this.
Wait. Wasn't Pakistan the one that introduced the human fox?
(Were you looking for me?)
- It's similar. - Do you believe in the human fox, too?
(From a previous episode)
People may know, but I don't want to break people's belief in the human fox.
- It's not moving it's body. - I'm serious.
This one was real. I saw it with my own eyes.
When I held the stones, I didn't have any reaction.
When my older brother held them,
his body started shaking. There were people who even fainted.
In my opinion, if a magician...
thinks all his tricks are real,
wouldn't it drive him mad?
What if you actually believed you have superpowers...
or that you were born special?
"Look I have real superpowers."
- Wouldn't that be dangerous? - I'm sure he wouldn't think that himself.
Actually, there have been real cases like that.
- Really? - In order to become the greatest magician...
Is it a form of self-hypnosis?
Yes. You have to believe in magic.
It's very ironic.
If you really believe in a lie, you can make yourself think it's real.
Right. We'll be talking about a lot of magical things today.
Let's start with some famous magicians from over the world.
In the US, there's David Copperfield.
David Copperfield took magic and made it into...
a genre of entertainment.
His performances were large-scale,
and he made over four billion dollars.
- He was incredible. - He was a star.
- He was a pioneer. - Yes.
His most famous trick is the one where he makes landmarks disappear.
He made the Statue of Liberty disappear.
He passed through the Great Wall of China.
That one was really fascinating.
When he was young, he was really famous for another reason.
All my friends thought Claudia Schiffer was the most beautiful woman in the world.
She's a German beauty, and she was really the most beautiful woman at the time.
Claudia Schiffer. You must have studied him as a pupil.
A lot of people have said to me,
"Why don't you make Namsan Tower disappear?"
They'd ask me to make the Assembly Building disappear...
or other landmarks. However,
Copperfield's performances were very meaningful because...
he used landmarks that are known by people all over the world.
It helped him to gain a kind of shared sentiment.
Since the symbol of the US is freedom,
and it's the most important part of their culture. What if that freedom disappeared?
- That's what that performance effectively meant. - It's all a part of a story.
That was the core, but it was superseded by...
the amazement from the performance.
In Italy, along with Copperfield, there's a world-renown magician...
who is considered one of the three great magicians in the world.
He's known as Silvan.
You probably all know him. He's from Venice.
He performed for Queen Elizabeth, President Reagan, De Gaulle,
and all the most famous people.
He's infamous for his hand trick.
He drew out 140 cards with one hand.
He made them appear.
The one where the cards keep appearing.
That was fascinating, but he also made people levitate.
- Levitation. - It's really fascinating because after he'd make them levitate,
he'd show there's nothing supporting the levitation...
- with a hula hoop. - He'd slide the body through the hoop.
He'd even have people come up and check.
It was so fascinating.
It's fascinating even now.
The Japanese really like magic.
- Among them, the most famous is Mr. Maric. - I remember him.
Maric.
He'd come to Korea on every holiday like this.
He did do a lot of Seollal specials.
He appeared on television in the late 80s...
and created a new genre of magic,
called supernatural magic that cross over the realm of magic and the supernatural.
He created a new genre. He also made things levitate, naturally.
(He's levitating a metal orb.)
He'd bend spoons like Uri Geller did.
When he was asked if it's a supernatural power, he said it's all hand power.
It's a vague answer.
Now that you mentioned Uri Geller, I'd like to talk about a magician from Canada.
He's called James Randy.
He's a supernatural hunter. He's famous for...
having offered a million dollars for whoever shows him their superpower.
However, he hasn't paid the reward to date.
He also stated that Uri Geller was a fraud.
Because of that, Geller sued him countless times.
But Randi stated he never showed his psychic powers in front of him.
That's how it ended.
Actually, every year, James Randi would give out...
a Pigasus award.
Pigasus award is...
an award presented to psychic frauds.
It's called the Pigasus award because...
- You've heard of Pegasus from Greek mythology? - Yes.
In English, when people say "Pigs can fly",
it means people are lying.
That's how the term, Pigasus, came to be.
I met James Randi when he came to Korea once.
Actually, you can say I'm on James Randi's side on this issue.
I'm sure a lot of people were shocked.
People would often be dazzled by those phenomenon...
and lose a lot of their money.
So he stepped into this field...
to go after and expose those people.
There's this really popular German illusionist called Simon Pierro.
This is how he started doing magic.
When he was 15 years old in New York,
- he was sindled? - Swindled.
- He was swindled out of... - I'm surprised you knew that word.
He lost 20 dollars.
He was so curious about how they did it...
that he started studying about magic.
He used the latest technology and magic...
to make iPad magic.
That's pretty cool. How is it coming out of the screen?
I wonder if that's really stuck on there.
It's excellent.
One second please. And, here we go. Liquid's coming.
Okay. As you can see, it's still a prototype...
- but it worked. Please give a hand to Kristoff. - Wow.
I'm curious but what level is our magic at in Korea?
If you were to rank it worldwide...
There's something called the World Championship of Magic.
It's a competition among countries.
In the latest competition, Koreans won most of the awards.
- They did? - Yes.
In 20 years, Korea...
- was able to rapidly rise into the top ranks. - Wow.
- More importantly, FISM is planning to open that event in Korea next year. - Wow.
When you perform,
are there times when things don't go as you plan...
- and lead into accidents? - I'm sure...
I talked about Uri Geller before but...
in Germany, there was a show called "The Next Uri Geller".
On that show, one performer went into a transparent water tank.
The water would rise and she'd have to get out...
- Escape? - Yes, escape.
The water rose over her head but she wasn't able to decipher the passcode.
On TV, it looked as if she was really drowning.
The staff had to come in, cut open the tank, and save her.
There was an accident like that.
(Amidst great tension, she started her escape from the tank.)
(But she was unable to decipher the code...)
(and could have had a terrible accident.)
(Hurry!)
The audience probably thought she was acting.
They probably didn't know how much of it was an act.
Houdini, who was from Hungary,
stated he could endure a punch from anyone.
That's what he was famous for. One day, he went to a college in Canada.
One of the students there approached him,
asking if he could really endure a punch from anyone.
Because he said yes,
without warning, that student gave him three consecutive punches to the stomach.
Because of that, Houdini had to go in for surgery...
and he died four days later.
Apparently, he died because...
the punches had ruptured his organs.
- The student who punched him was an amateur boxer. - Goodness.
- He really did get hit. - What kind of magic would that have been?
Just like what he said,
Houdini was an iron man.
- Through training, he was able to strengthen his body... - Like super strength?
Yes, that's where the concept of super strength came from.
Because Houdini started that concept,
magicians after him would use that concept in their performance.
But because of this fiction he created,
he met his untimely demise.
Because he met an amateur boxer.
When someone approached him to ask if he really was iron man,
he couldn't say that it was all just a lie.
There was a Houdini related incident in the US, too.
In California, there was a...
Houdini fan named Joe Burge.
As one of Houdini's fans, on Halloween...
That's when Houdini died.
On Halloween, in honor of Houdini,
this magician went into a glass coffin...
and buried himself two meters underground.
- On top of that, he had them put dirt and cement over him. - That's crazy.
It got so heavy that it broke the glass coffin and killed him.
Basically, he tried to do this trick on Halloween to honor Houdini...
but in the end he died on Halloween, just like Houdini.
- Out of respect, he just wanted to honor Houdini. - Yes.
- That's crazy. - Yes.
Back in 2011, on a live TV program during the New Year's Eve,
this magician showed a trick where he...
used his hand to move the fish in the fish tank.
It became a big issue after it showed.
Before he did the trick, he fed the fish magnets...
and used another magnet below the fish tank to control their movements.
That's so cruel to the fish.
On that same program in 2014,
they couldn't control the angle of the camera.
When the magician took out something,
the camera was supposed to be here but was here instead.
So everyone saw how he did it.
Did they zoom in on him, too?
That sounds really bad for the magician.
(The magician was supposed to pull the bone out of thin air.)
(The secret case he used for his trick?)
So many people saw this program.
- It's one of China's biggest shows. - Because he made a mistake on that show,
- he was all over the news the very next day. - He probably lost his job, too.
In Italy, there's a person called Giucas Casella.
He's a really absurd hypnotist magician.
People don't really believe him but he came out on TV a lot.
He would hypnotize animals or the audience...
or various individuals...
But, it was all set up beforehand.
Just recently, when he was trying to hypnotize...
a female celebrity,
that woman was pretending to be hypnotized...
but she couldn't stop laughing.
- When she was acting? - Yes.
He got caught.
She couldn't bring herself to do it again, even if they paid her.
She was acting like this...
(Snorting)
It was exactly like that.
Just recently, in a small town festival, there was this person...
who said he could walk on top of these really hot stones.
He said he could walk but he ran instead.
He didn't have anything up his sleeves.
He just ran through?
(Hot)
He showed us how he was in pain and had burns on his feet.
He showed us his pain.
That person was just being honest.
I'm sure Se-yoon can do it too, right?
- I can do it too. I have thick feet skin. - I can't. I'm too scared.
Because of my calluses, I can do it.
They were really hot stones.
(Someone else attempted it, too.)
(Screaming)
Have you ever had a close call during your performance?
- This sounds fun. - Tell us all about it.
I actually had a lot of close calls. I raise a parrot.
I have a pet cockatoo.
The cockatoo would fly around the audience and come back to me.
To show everyone my relationship with my pet,
I'd give him a kiss.
But when I kissed him, he bit me.
He bit me here.
- You have a scar. - It's there.
This happened in the beginning of the show.
I pulled away and had blood dripping down my face.
- It was bleeding... - And people would clap while saying it was impressive.
They would give you a warm round of applause, too.
I would speak like this throughout the show.
I'd stick my chin out to catch my blood.
That's funny.
In the movies,
- people can be seen using magic to commit a crime. - Yes.
Is that really possible?
In China, there's this pen called a magic pen.
About 15 minutes after you write with that pen,
the ink disappears.
People would use that pen to sign contracts...
- and deny they signed the document. - That's...
- Your signature would disappear? - Yes.
Something similar happened in India, too. People would write out their checks...
using the magic pen...
and change the numbers...
- And deny signing it? - Yes. They would deny it.
- That's crazy. - In Mexico, there's black magic.
Black magic is so famous, there's a market for it.
When you go to that market, you can find bottles that cure illness...
or things that curse or kill others for you.
You can find a lot of things like that.
There was this man...
And he was in love with a woman.
But she got married.
Because he wanted to kill her husband,
he went to a black magician and put in a request.
After making that man chant a weird spell,
eventually, he was forced to pay 1,200 dollars.
- But... - Did he die?
No, he didn't die. Those kinds of people...
- They'd say he had a strong life force. - Exactly.
- He would ask him to bring him this and that... - To make him sick?
When people would ask the magician why they weren't dead yet,
he'd say something like how their love was too strong...
- and tell him he need more and ask for more money... - He'd ask for more money.
- so he could try again... - What a con artist.
- Yes. - Black magic is a big issue in Pakistan, too.
Not that long ago, a couple went to a black magician...
and asked him to make them rich.
That magician listened to them and lied to them.
He said they had to kill their three-month-old baby.
If they killed their baby, they would get rich.
Those parents went and did as he told them to.
They killed their own baby.
But instead of getting rich, they were arrested and taken to jail.
That's so...
In India, someone's wife disappeared.
- And? - Isn't that just a missing case?
She just went missing.
- Well, this magician... - Were they able to find her?
This magician hypnotized and...
stole about six married women from their husbands.
He stole them away. According to the husbands,
when their wives met this person, they'd act strange...
and wouldn't come home even when they told them to.
Is it possible to hypnotize them like that?
- Well, hypnosis... - You sure he wasn't a player?
Well, hypnosis is often used to treat people.
- Even now... - Anyway, because of how people use hypnosis for evil,
it's often misunderstood.
- Yes, they're misunderstood. - They can be used for good, too.
- Same goes for black magic. - Yes.
There are incidents where we used magic for evil too, aren't there?
Yes, there are.
- For example, about 10 years ago... - He prepared something.
Well, 10 years ago, people would go around the countryside...
saying they were from the Bank of Korea.
They would tell them how they used a special ink to make the dollar bills.
They would take out some kind of ink and put it in.
They'd put it in and stamp it out just like this.
What's the...
It was a tool like this.
When they showed them this,
elderly people would be surprised.
- And? - And after that,
they'd tell the elders if they invested in this,
- they would receive back a profit of the... - They'll get back more money?
Yes. They earned tens of thousands of dollars using this method.
They scammed elderly people.
There are some supernatural phenomenon's...
that are pretty hard to believe.
Let's talk about that.
This is a very old and famous story in Germany.
Other countries also use this German term to describe...
- the poltergeist effect. - Poltergeist?
In German, poltergeist means "noisy ghost".
It's often used to describe the phenomenon...
where doors close and open on their own...
- and when things move and fall on their own. - I see.
People would say the poltergeist lives here.
Even Hollywood would make a lot of scary movies out of it.
I think the most famous movie was "Paranormal Activity".
(It was a scary movie about an evil poltergeist...)
(killing all the characters.)
- Nik, do you believe in that? - No.
(Laughing)
You can't feel him sitting on your shoulders right now?
I'm already a very negative, gloomy person so...
It was sitting there ever since you came in here.
He's my friend.
You still have that coin on your head.
(I do?)
I believed you.
(Korean's supernatural phenomenon, The Coin Man)
In America, there was this really mysterious case.
In 2013, there was this Chinese Canadian woman...
who went on a trip to LA by herself.
- She was staying at this hotel... - I know this story.
- I saw that on YouTube. - Eventually, they found her corpse in...
- the water tank on top of the hotel. - Goodness.
They were able to find her there...
only because the other customers staying there said...
the water tasted weird...
Of course it'd taste weird.
But she was last caught on the security cameras...
- when she was riding the elevator. - Right.
It seemed like she was speaking to someone we couldn't see.
She's looking at someone there.
She's acting really nervous as she continues to talk with that someone.
She hides,
and goes in and out, and starts pressing the buttons.
But the door isn't closing.
It's not.
- She's speaking with someone. - Yes.
- She's talking... - And touching something...
(The door closes as soon as she disappears.)
This was the last footage of her.
Even now, people don't know how she got into the water tank.
- She had no way of opening the door. - Yes.
I heard these kinds of thing happened frequently at that hotel.
Yes. There has been a lot of those kinds of incidents in that hotel.
- That's... - There was something similar in Japan.
Since a long time ago, Japan had this phenomenon called kamikakushi.
- This is just like that movie "Spirited Away". - Yes?
In Japan, the term kamikakushi is in the movie title.
There was an incident that was similar to that.
In 2013, a high school student...
went missing on her way from home to school.
She was discovered in an abandoned temple 77 days later.
But no one was able to explain...
how she was able to stay alive for a month and half.
- She couldn't remember? - No, she couldn't. She couldn't even speak.
If you ask her, she could nod and shake her head.
But she couldn't speak.
Also, that temple was really small.
There was no water...
- or any stores nearby. - None whatsoever?
- No one knows how... - Was her health really bad when they found her?
She used to weigh 40kg before.
But when they found her, she was 31kg.
She was all skin and bones.
I also had a weak body...
when I was a child.
I would have nightmares every single day.
I still do sometimes but back then,
I would have nightmares every single day that I was able to see ghosts.
- There are people like that. - I'd see their hands...
- and hear their voice... - What'd they say?
They would come close to my ears and go...
- They'd make that sound. - There are people like that.
Ghosts really exist. I...
saw a woman speak with a man's voice before.
- Did you? - Isn't that similar to that human fox?
Are you sure it wasn't that human fox?
- It's true. - Hello.
- Hello. - Hello.
(You have to be in two places at once.)
- He took on two roles. - Yes.
It was a woman I knew.
She suddenly stopped coming to school...
and suddenly spoke English in a male voice.
She was possessed by a ghost who could speak English.
Speaking of that, did you hear about that person...
who was able to speak Chinese after being in a car accident?
- Isn't that about this Australian... - He never learned it.
He suddenly became so fluent in Chinese that he's on Chinese TV now.
- He's an MC. - On Chinese TV?
- He's on TV in China. - Is that true?
- He's Australian... - Are you lying?
No, I'm not.
Please don't laugh. It's really surprising. You know, don't you?
I don't know about that but what I said is true.
That's all you're going to say?
I'm sure what you said is true, too.
That was the human fox.
(After falling into a comatose state from a big accident,)
(an Australian boy miraculously woke up.)
(But he suddenly started speaking in Chinese!)
(He's currently appearing on TV in China.)
(Ben talked about how a Chinese nurse nursed him back to health.)
Somewhere in northern Canada, there was a woman in her forties.
She was walking with her three children when she met a polar bear.
That polar bear grabbed her seven-year-old child.
The mother started screaming and fighting with the polar bear.
What? She fought with a polar bear?
She did. She screamed so loudly...
that a man nearby heard her and shot the polar bear for her.
Luckily, the mother and her children weren't harmed.
Is that really possible? The bear could have killed her with one hit.
- Yes. - Have you seen that video from Australia where the kangaroo...
- was harassing someone's dog... - I saw it.
The owner went over to the kangaroo and punched him.
- The kangaroo's face... - They boxed together?
(Shocked)
He really looked like this.
He really looked shocked and dazed.
(A kangaroo was choking the dog when...)
(Fighting stance)
(He hits first out of anger.)
There was also an incident involving animals in Switzerland...
In 2009, on top of the mountain,
there was an incident where 28 cows jumped off the cliff to their deaths.
- They jumped off? - Yes, they did. But the strange part...
was how they kept jumping off for three whole days.
- Three days? - Yes.
There's a Hindu god of luck...
called Ganesha who has the face of an elephant.
- His... - I think I heard about that one.
When you go to pray to him in the morning,
you have to offer him milk and coconut before you pray.
Anyway, one day in 1995,
when you fed Ganesha milk with your spoon,
- that stone god started to drink the milk. - No way.
- It... - With his stone tongue?
If you brought a spoonful of milk to his mouth,
the milk would disappear into his body.
This caused a great uproar.
People would line up to feed him. Because if you wanted his blessings...
He would need a lot of milk for him to give us his blessings.
- Did the milk disappear on other days? - No, it didn't.
Does he drink banana milk or chocolate milk too?
- Or maybe low fat milk. - They haven't tried to give him those kind of milk.
Anyway, countless researchers came to look into this phenomenon.
But this only happened on that special day.
- That's really unusual. - Yes.
There are so many unexplainable phenomenon in our lives.
What are your thoughts on these.
Do you believe everything in the world can be explained by science?
Or do you believe there are certain thing that can't be explained by science?
Who thinks everything can be explained by science?
- In 1, 2 and 3. - Raise your hand.
As expected of Guillaume.
They raised their hands.
I think everything can be explained by science.
But not everyone can understand the science behind it.
For example, I don't understand how my cell phone works.
Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean I think my phone is magical.
- I see. - But different from cell phones,
there are so many people who have seen ghosts.
- You sometimes even see them in pictures. That's... - Right, dead people.
- You see them in photos. - Right.
You can't explain those things.
There are many things you can't explain with science yet.
It's because science is still being developed.
As science develops more over time, we'll be able to explain everything.
- You're saying things can be explained later? - Yes.
When I was in high school, a very famous physicist came to our school...
and said that currently, humans only know less than 10 percent of the world.
Only that. That's why, I believe things can be explained scientifically...
But just not right now.
I don't have a religion but like you said,
we don't have that much knowledge because there of God.
God doesn't think we're not ready to know just yet.
That's why he's preventing us from knowing.
That's why there's so many things we don't know. Gods and goblins exist.
Xinlin goes to Seoul University...
to learn about science. He's a scientist.
But you're saying the most unscientific things right now.
We believe in gods. We believe you can't explain the existence of a god.
I think science was made by man.
And men are bound to make mistakes.
Long ago, when people said the world was flat, that's what everyone believed in.
And later on, we found out that the world was round and Earth went around the sun.
Science is able to explain phenomenons. But I think it's wrong to believe that...
- science is 100 percent true. - I think everything can be explained by science...
except this one thing called love.
- What? - Love.
Like your story, a mother's love...
- is able to make miracles. - That's very unscientific.
Because...
love can make the impossible possible.
And because of those miracles, that's why I believe...
- love is valued within our society. - That's a great way of thinking.
Let's talk about supernatural things...
- that happened to you guys. - Yes.
Whenever I talk about this with my friends,
- there's always one or two who experienced it. - Anyone?
It wasn't me but my grandmother who experienced it.
She went on a Mexican version of "Capture the Moment; How is That Possible".
- We're the original. - Yes.
When my grandmother was five years old,
she fell off a cliff and died.
She died. Even the doctor came...
and told us she was dead. So they laid her on the bed.
But eight minutes later, she came back to life.
She came back to life.
- Even though her heart stopped? - Yes.
Miracles like that do happen. I've heard of it.
I had something similar happen to me. When I was three months old,
I had sudden infant death syndrome.
- I died. - Sudden infant death syndrome?
It's where babies suddenly die for no reason.
It was early dawn...
My father suddenly got up around 3am...
and came to check up on me for no reason.
Seeing I wasn't breathing and seeing my heart wasn't beating,
- he performed CPR on me and saved me. - When you were a three-month-old baby?
Yes. When they took me to the hospital, the doctor...
said it was a miracle for him to bring me back to life.
- Your father's really... - I also asked my father...
why he woke up and went to check up on me that time.
Did he feel strange?
He said he didn't know why.
It was as if he was a robot being controlled by someone else...
- to go check on me. - That's the power of love.
- Maybe. - The power of love.
Eun-gyeol, is that the theme of your next performance?
- No, no. - You're promoting it too much.
If I ever see "power of love" on your performance banners...
If I ever see you with Celine Dion...
- Don't sing with her. - Xinlin also experienced a miracle, too.
- I didn't die. - I see.
- Last Christmas... - That's great.
- Last Christmas means it was pretty recent. - Yes, I was invited to Alex's house.
I went to his house and for the first time in my life, I was able to...
- eat turkey. - Turkey?
He fed me turkey.
And Alex's mother was so beautiful, almost as if she walked out of a movie.
And in Alex's house, there was this glass window overlooking...
the Han River. I'd hold a cup of alcohol...
that I didn't even know the name of...
and have so many Westerners talk in English around me...
- Westerners? - Westerners?
- They're the Westerners. - We're the Asians.
When I first came here in 2014,
I never thought I'd get to visit an apartment overlooking Han River.
- I felt like I was on top of the world back then. - It must have been magical.
Were there any background music?
Back then, Alex was playing something on the piano.
(The key point lies in the piano music.)
Come by more often.
(Just like in the movies, there are presents under a tree.)
(The Han River is right in front of you.)
(There's foreign alcohol, servings of turkey,)
(and even piano music to help whet your appetite.)
(The magic Xinlin experienced on December 25, 2016...)
When you were little, did you ever see those sci-fi movies...
- and wished you had that super power? - Yes.
What kind of super power did you want to have? Christian?
I always wanted to fly.
- I wanted to fly... - Do you want to fly over the wall?
(A 12m wall is nothing for someone who can fly.)
Good one.
I really like high places.
And more importantly, I don't need to use the delivery system.
- If I need something abroad, I'd fly and get it. - You'll freeze to death.
How fast do you want to fly?
I want to fly really fast, like Superman.
- Your mouth will fall off. - If you go over 100km an hour, your face will...
It'll rot off because of all the dust.
- Superman is a lie. If you fly that fast, your face will fall off. - Right.
- Look at how his hair is still. - You'd look like this.
(This is reality.)
- I'd wear equipment to protect my face. - I also wanted that ability...
because there's no direct flight to Pakistan. You have to always transfer.
- If I could fly, I'd go straight home... - How about teleportation?
- That's great. - I really wanted that power.
- Like in the movie, "Jumper". - "Jumper".
For example, when you need to go to the bathroom but you're stuck here...
If you could feel uncomfortable about going to the bathroom here,
you can just go home.
Not the one in Korea, but the one back in Italy.
- That's a great idea. - You can live in Swiss but commute...
- to your work in Korea. - Exactly.
- That sounds awesome. - It's great.
There's an American drama called "Heroes".
There's a Japanese person named Hiro there.
- He can stop time and save the world... - There's a problem with that.
Why would there be a problem? It's just make believe.
Oogi, there is a problem!
- Wait, can I... - It's make believe.
There's a problem?
If you stop time,
your body will get older.
So compared to other people,
- you'll get older and older. - I'm sure they'll stop it for only a few minutes.
They'll stop it for five minutes, probably.
But it'll add on.
I was in high school back then.
I always wanted to stop time when I was taking a math test.
In that drama, he kept looking at the clock until it stopped...
and found out about his abilities then.
So, back in high school, I would keep...
(He stares at the clock.)
- I would keep doing that... - You should have just studied.
- but it didn't work. - But time really stops when you're in high school.
Why hasn't the class ended?
It's strange. You feel like class should be over by now.
- It's like time stopped. - I want the ability to talk to animals.
It's my dream to have a farm. I would work on my farm...
tending to the sheep while riding a horse.
I want to listen to the animals' stories.
- You're going to get hurt. - Yes.
Stop riding on my back already, jerk!
- You're so heavy. - If you hear them, it'll become tiresome.
- Yes, you will. - In the fish tank, the fish will go...
Where am I? Where am I?
- Because it forgets... - The animals...
You'll be able to hear everything.
But I want to write a book about their stories.
It'll be written in the perspective of the animals.
For example, the pig's complaint of injustice.
How tragic.
- It might become a bestseller. - Anyway, this is kind of...
I want to believe in this...
but there are these animal communicators...
That woman?
- She'd hear what the horse says... - Yes, I heard of that.
- They exist. - and hear what was bothering him.
I really wanted to believe that when I saw it.
- Me too. - We had someone like that in our history books.
Is it the human fox?
Stop talking about the human fox!
How many times have you talked about him?
Is the human fox a household pet?
- Are you talking about him again? - I'm telling the truth.
Is he the only person in Pakistan? Stop talking about him already.
Start talking about the human monkey or something.
Let's invite the human fox here sometimes.
- We need to prepare the box as well. - Right.
- Aurélien? - Immortality.
- What? - Immortality.
Immortality?
Even after I die, there will be...
many great songs, movies, and projects that comes out.
I won't be able to experience those if I die.
I'd feel a little sad about that.
- I'm curious to see... - I see.
what kind of masterpieces they'll make in the future.
- I see. - I see.
If I can choose to be immortal, will I choose yes or no?
Immortality. It's another useless vote topic...
You won't age or die.
I'll choose to be immortal. In 1, 2, 3.
Nik probably thought there's no use in living forever.
- What use is there in... - Wait a minute.
Like they say, I don't want to go through this struggle forever.
Why would you say that?
We have the saying, "the afterlife is better than this dung heap of a world."
- Why do you... - It's because he's a pessimist.
Actually, I have another reason.
- If you don't age or die, - That sounds great.
you can't have a lover or make any families.
- You can if you want. - If I'm this age forever,
if I meet a woman, that woman will...
- get older. - You're right.
If you saw people dying over and over again,
- you'd refrain from loving anyone again. - Yes.
Exactly.
- If it's like that... - I understand why you wouldn't.
You can be immortal together.
- That's... - Together?
It'd be lonely by yourself.
But if you had a lover or even a...
a friend who shared the same ability...
Not Xinlin...
(Hurt)
If I was with someone like Aurélien, I think it'd be fun.
Aurélien?
Do you love him?
(We wish you two great happiness.)
I always think about the far future.
If you live forever, the Earth and humans might not exist anymore.
If you think about that, it's really scary.
Don't think about it in a complicated way. If you think about it simply,
if you're given the chance, everyone would take it.
I've never seen anyone not afraid of death.
The reason why we take medicine when we're sick...
is because we want to be healthy so we can live a long time.
- But... - I'm with Alex.
Five billions years from now, the sun will die out.
- Yes it will. - If I think about having to be alone...
Why is everyone looking at this in a negative light?
If you think about it in a positive light, it's great.
You can have so much fun when you play.
I've always wanted to try extreme sports.
- But you're afraid you'll die? - Yes.
I'm being serious.
I like safe things.
- I'm also responsible for my baby. - That's true.
I really want to fly down in a parachute but I can't.
But you can do that without having to be immortal.
- There are so many people who do it. - You might die.
- He doesn't want to die. - That's why...
But if you can't die, there's no reason for doing that.
The people who do extreme sport...
do that for the danger and thrills.
- Yes, also... - Also,
even if they're doing it for fun,
it loses its charms after several hundred years.
It's not fun without the risks.
I wouldn't choose to be immortal.
Just like humans, there are phases in nature such as...
spring, summer, fall...
It'll be boring if it's summer all year.
I think life is all about experiencing something new.
I believe aging is also a new experience.
If that doesn't exist, you can't really call that being human.
- If there's no death, you don't know what's precious to you. - That's right.
I think those are just biases.
I'm sure immortals also have something precious...
Things like immortality are impossible.
Let's come back to reality.
- We're so pessimistic. - Let's come back.
Finally, let's talk about magical spells.
Think of what you want to wish for...
Finally, let's talk about magical spells.
Think of what you want to wish for...
In Mexico...
- You know Walt Disney's Cinderella? - Yes?
You know that song they sing when that fairy godmother comes out?
- Salaca doo la menthicka boo la - Bibbidi bobbidi boo
(Singing in Spanish)
- Bibbidi bobbidi boo - Bibbidi bobbidi boo
- What language is that? - In Mexico,
it means you can make anything come true.
- They use this saying a lot. - So it comes true?
In Japan, there's this animated movie by Ghibli...
called "Castle in the Sky". At the end,
they recite a spell to destroy the castle,
they say the magic word, "Balse". If you say the word, the castle breaks.
(As the main characters recite their spell,)
(the castle in the sky is destroyed.)
The Japanese really loves this.
The Mexicans should face the Trump Wall and say "Balse".
- And the wall will collapse. - That sounds great.
Then Trump will sing, "Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo".
The wall will come back.
- In Chinese, they say "Malimalihome". - Malimalihome?
Yes.
A lot of Chinese people know this.
- But it doesn't have any meaning. - Malimalihome?
Indians say "Gilli gilli chu mandir".
When they perform magic, they chant "Gilli gilli chu mandir".
In Korean, it translates to "Disappear now!"
The Pakistan spell doesn't have any meaning either. The magicians say,
"Antar mantar chu salar zebia!"
- We say this. - That one was pretty good.
It sound like a real spell.
You were like Doctor Strange.
- That's what they... - Do they shake like this?
(They shake their magic stones.)
What kind of spell do you say, Eun-gyeol?
People don't really believe in incantations nowadays.
They think it's lame for me to say "Abra Cadabra". Only kids believe that.
If you think about it, most magicians snap their fingers.
They do.
Not only do we do this, to get everyone's attention...
but the magic words lies in this action.
Things like "Abra Cadabra" are all already inside this action.
You should take this chance to learn how to whistle from Zahid.
- You can't whistle? - Why?
I can gather all the pigeons with this trick.
I've never seen it happen.
No, they're hitting the walls of this building as we speak.
(Whistling)
A pigeon!
(A real pigeon appeared!)
A pigeon!
(Here comes the pigeon!)
(It flew through the studio...)
(and landed on his head.)
(It's the world's first magic trick to summon a pigeon.)
(His magic was successful.)
He's the human pigeon.
- It's the human pigeon. - That's my present for you.
Thank you.
(Thank you for showing us that amazing magic trick.)
Poor Mark got hit with the pigeon on his head.
- That surprised him. - It did.
On our 136th Non Summit Meeting,
we talked about whether magic or supernatural things were fabrications or not.
On our 136th Non Summit Meeting,
we talked about whether magic or supernatural things were fabrications or not.
How was it for you today?
I always wanted to say this from the beginning...
but think about why magic exists.
We're always dreaming of something...
and striving to attain our goals.
That's where magic comes from.
I believe magic is something that continuously shows that nothing is impossible.
- That was great. - Thank you.
(We wish for a world full of magic and miracles.)
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
In support of Eun-gyeol who'll be performing on the world stage,
- I'm going to gather the forces of the universe... - This song is so old.
and sing you this song.
Magic Magic
- Magic Magic - Thank you.
(Does the citizens have a right to know about the President's family?)
(That's impossible!)
(It's a breach of privacy!)
(His wife also has power so there's a need to observe her.)
(She had no choice but to become the first lady...)
(There's no reason to know.)
(There are possibilities of it damaging the President's image.)
(A fierce debate about whether we have the right to know or not...)
(Creating beauty...)
(Hair designer, Cha Hong)
(Welcome)
(Cha Hong consults them about their hair.)
(He won't look bad with a shaved head.)
(The most cheerful diss.)
(The Queen of Optimism, Cha Hong)
(Uncomfortable)
(Monk Cha Hong's Speech)
(It'll be fun to see her fight with Nik.)
(Pessimist Nik vs Optimist Cha Hong)
(The higher your expectations, the more disappointment you feel...)
(Things that I lose will find their way back to me.)
(A tense fight between optimism and pessimism.)
(He's such a pessimist although he looks so optimistic.)
(How should one live his life?)
(Non Summit Meeting, airs every Wednesday at 10:50pm.)
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